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If any of those dreams would become reality, that would be incredibly beautiful. All of a sudden, the price of a great bonsai would rise exponentially. And you, Walter would become an instant millionaire.
If bonsai would cross over in the realm of arts, being a bonsai artist would suddenly become a lucrative and "sexy" profession. The quality of bonsai around the world would vastly improve. A lot of money would be spent on building fences and alarm systems around bonsai nurseries. The new industry would bring billions of dollars into the economy, and the small nursery business would become profitable.
I think we are on the way towards this reality. It's a very slow change, but I believe that it will happen. The basis of my belief is that modern bonsai will break away from the old tradition. As soon as that happens, there is a strong chance that artists, such as sculptors, painters, etc., will become interested in bonsai.
This is a crucial condition: a widely recognized sculptor (or other artist) becomes interested in bonsai. Since everything that this man does is recognized as genuine art, his bonsai will also gain this recognition. And I am sure that his bonsai will be different from the rest. As soon as this happens, bonsai will cross over to the "other side". It will be the spark that starts the forest fire.


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OK, I accept the challenge. The aim is to get into one of the clearly most renowned art galleries in the world. With bonsai eye to eye with the 'real' art world.
So what are really renowned art galleries? Well I found one in Munich, Germany. It is called Terminus Galerie.
See: http://www.galerie-terminus.de/
This will load extremely slowly, but if you are really interested you should wait. They feature a few dozen names. I am certainly not an expert in contemporary art, but I took those names of their list that I have heard of:
Baselitz Georg, Chamberlain John, Felipe de Antonio, Jones Allen, Kiefer Anselm, Lichtenstein Roy, Polke Sigmar, Ramos Mel, Rauschenberg Robert, Richter Gerhard, Rosenquist James, Saint Phalle Niki, Stella Frank, Vaadia Boaz, Warhol Andy.
I love Warhol Andy - in that order. See the full list of their artists on their website. As I understand this is one of the leading places in the world. They sell stuff in the hundreds of thousdands and million range. This would do for a start, I think.
What do you think? Megalomania? Think big? Shoot for the stars and you will reach the moon at least? Just plain silly? Forget it?
A good friend of mine who had connections in the art world in Germany tried to get his bonsai into art galleries in Dusseldorf, Germany. They laughed at him and said 'then we might as well exhibit garden dwarfs'. One has to know that garden dwarfs are the epitiome of kitsch; at least in Germany.
So what did he do wrong? Maybe he was not shooting high enough?
Am I crazy?


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Yes, crazy like a fox.
Your timing is impeccable, with the new expansion of the gallery and the commitment to diversify, I could not think of a better time to attempt this.
This would be huge, achieving the aim to get into one of the world's most renowned art galleries and displaying bonsai eye to eye with the 'real' art world, would be a monumental and important step on the path to fine art!

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For the sake of argument, why is being accepted into the world of western art important for bonsai?
I understand the need and desire for recognition from the "legitimate" art world for our passtime, but would this really produce some kind of groundswell of better bonsai and greater bonsai artists?
Just wondering out loud...


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Mark,
are you aware of what is going on with the leading western bonsai artists, with names that you would know? Are you aware that the overwhelming majority is NOT doing well? That many are living in what is considered poverty in 'real' life? That bonsai is about the last thing that a gifted young person should attempt to do for a living? That only people who should be psychoanalyzed become bonsai professionals?
And more of that crap.
How famous do you think one has to become to be able to make a living as bonsai artist? Do you think I am famous enough? Well, I could NOT make a living with bonsai.
Acceptance in the art world could change this situation considerably. It would bring in hoards of young ambitious people who would change the bosai scene completely. Nothing would be the same. Especially concerning quality.
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OK, go to: http://www.galerie-terminus.de/
and then to 'PROGRAM' and then to 'CURRENT EXHIBIT' and scroll down the text about Boaz Vaadia to the very end.
A surprise is waiting for you there.
The links were changed by the gallery later on after the fact. So you will not find the announcement anymore. It said that this exhibit with works of Boaz Vadia is accompanied with bonsai by Walter Pall.
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