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This thread is for discussing Attila Soos' article, " Judging Bonsai "
http://artofbonsai.org/feature_articles/judging.php


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Hi Atila, I like your system. I organize every year a local exhibition, and usually invite some people to judge, but I notice that they simply chose the tree they like the best and they did not really checked all the trees very well. Last year I decided to hand in some sheets with 4 things to grade for each tree and to place comments and so fort. As a result they had to spend more time analyzing each of the trees and this information was given back to the members I think it was very help full. But I think your system is better yet. If you may, I will try it out this November.

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Hi Enrique,
Thank you, and you are welcome to use the judging spreadsheet. Let us know how it goes.
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Enrique,
A review of this system would indeed be very educational, I look forward to your thoughts.

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Glad you address this point.
What I like to know is the evaluation. Not only the good points, but also the points that needs to be reconsider or develop further, like: in which area's the judges differs a lot in their scores, and how to deal with these big differences in scores (about the same judgement aspect).

I know a system that removes the 2 extreme scores (the most enthousiastic and the most uninterested judges), to end up with the average of all judges, but this needs a minimum number of judges, and there are always alternatives to deal with this problem.


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Further thoughts about this judging system:

1. Do all people use the 10-grade school score system the same way. Look at tree #3. with scores of 2, 4,and 5. It looks like a rational and objective score system, but is it really so.

2. How can we judge the stock if we only see the result. This point really struck me.

3. Okay, the bonsai can be seen as a result of the stock + the choosen design; hereby you assume that there is something like a good design. This assumption doesn't stand strong, because when we give 1 same stock to 5 good bonsaiists, the results will be 5 good bonsai (therefore they are good bonsaiist), i.e. they make 5 different apparances of trees that all have good stories, which are well told to the audiance (remember that a good bonsai is a good story telling). In other words: there are more good designs possible with 1 stock.

4. Okay, for the technique aspects, you've simplified the Technical Analytical Points of the EBA; so the basic of your score system is the C plus the B class of EBA bonsai. The C for the technical points, and the B for the stock and design points.

My critiques are weighted as follows: 2 - 3 - 1


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