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I distinguish between classical literati and modern literati.
And where is the naturalistic literati? The traditional literati style is a style by itself and not a form. It is a purely naturalistic style already in the traditional sense. Just think of the line 'there is no rule in literati style other than it has to look good'. The very same apples to the naturalistic style.
Anyway, both show a very long tree with a thin trunk. The form is usually upright, but can well be leaning, cascade, over stone and anything else. It is still in the literati style.
Classical: understatement, not too many curves and kinks, deadwood used very sparsely, quiet, serene appearance, no grotesque trunk movement, Zeny sort of feeling, old, sophisticated and quiet.
Modern: overstatement, showing off with curves, twists, deadwod, often bizarre, enormous movement of trunk that is not considered grotesque anymore.
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Larch, classical.

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Larch, classical, with dead twin trunk.

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Scots pine, modern with abstract crown. I will reduce the foliage mass considerably this coming summer.

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Sabina juniper, modern. Part of the crown is virtual to show the future.

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Deciduous tree as literati. European field elm, modern.

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Silver birch, dancing birch, very naturalistic.


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Good place to start this discussion.
So trees you want to call Literati do not fit accepted values what to do?
Create your own category. Call it Modern Literati. Make your own definition. It is a great idea, but it does not make the Sabina a Literati for me. I like the Bonsai very much, but it is NOT a Literati except by definitions designed to include it. Please explain the thought behind the conclusion that this Bonsai is in any way a Literati.
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This collection is a very good mix of Literati examples.
The first two larches are perfect examples of Classic Literati. It clearly shows that Walter knows exactly how to capture that spirit.
The Sabina is a great trend-setter for the new form that Walter just coined "Modern Literati". I agree with Mark that the feeling that it creates is almost opposite to the two larches that I've mentioned.
The first two, especially the single larch, is rugged, sparse, masculine, struggling, barren. The sabina is playful, happy, feminine, elegant, stylish, floating in the space, just like a ballet-dancer. But I still see it as literati, though very different from the traditional one. I find the term "Modern Literati" very fitting for it. How'bout "Neo-Literati", or "Post-Literati"? Modern Literati may not be fitting 10 years from now, but Neo-Literati can be used forever. :)


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