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I have been swimming through this thread for some time. Parts of it are very deep and mirky.
Will... et. al.
Are you actively serious. If I understand what I am reading you are suggesting that the creation of a virtual bonsai using photoshop is the same thing as creating a real bonsai?
I am not the brightest light bulb on the porch, particularly when compared to some of the obvious intellectual thoughts I am reading in this thread. Lord knows I am all in favor of a little serious thought on any topic,
..... but real bonsai the same thing as virtual bonsai.
Wake up people and smell the coffee.
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Randy,
The point is that with all the "photo contests" in magazines and on the Internet, are you so sure you could tell the difference? Could you tell If I added a little more foliage or made it a little more green? Could you tell if I added a branch in a otherwise bare spot?
If you can't tell the difference, then they are indeed the same thing for all intents and purposes.
In this day and age photo doctoring is a major concern in many areas and with relatively inexpensive software a talented individual could doctor a photo so well that only a trained expert could tell it wasn't real.
How would you like to see a "doctored" photo win an on-line contest and what chance does that leave the actual, true to form, bonsai?

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I consider virtual bonsai a tool. It has its appeal as a way to express one's self, but overall it is just another form of media to hone skills of the real thing. Real, living bonsai cannot be equaled with anything else. To have the same attributes present as those in a picture requires much more skill and that skill has to be accompanied by patience and the ability to provide adequate care for a living thing.

A representative analogy is stock car racing. There are many forms of simulated driving media available. Some are kid's video games which are not very realistic, computer software with very realistic requirements, and specialized simulators that come as close to the real thing as is possible with current technology. NASCAR driver Dale Earnhardt Jr. is well known for his private video game setup where he spends many hours "playing" NASCAR simulation. Still, it is not real. When he is in a real Nextel Cup race at Lowe's Motor Speedway twenty miles away from his home, he is doing the REAL thing. A blown motor is not repaired by a few keystrokes, a bad start is not erased by hitting the "restart race" cursor, and a hard wreck is not ended with you getting up and going to the fridge for another beer.

Virtual technology cannot compare to real bonsai. It was asked earlier if someone could pick a virtual attempt from the real thing in a photo on the web. Well, I might be able to. But in its presence I will be able to pick it 100% of the time. And that is what interests me. I will continue to use virtual/photoshop technology as a learning aid, but it will never exceed my desire to work with live material. I am sure I will be in good company.
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