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Well, almost everything has been said but, maybe the most important. The topic was supposed instant bonsai (the oxymoron [thanks Mike]), not "online bonsai 1st styling contests," which is what Will wrote about and the pictures posted were.
What is missed is the topic should maybe have been - "online photographic 1st styling contest as a good learning experience". Learning, that is the value ... but the subject of instant bonsai was not argued affirmatively, in my opinion.
Demos at shows is another whole topic ... maybe we should also discuss that.


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Be patient David it's coming. (discussion you suggested) As to Will referring to an on-line styling contest in reference to the instant bonsai. I think he had some pretty valid points, and an actual event most of us were familiar with. I don't see where there is a great deal of difference between the on line instant bonsai, and the club sponsored work shop instant bonsai.


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Well this is an old debate, but I decided just to clear my view on the subject. I agree with the idea that instant bonsai can?t be created in a few hours; I think one just creates the illusion of what would be a bonsai. By illusion I mean, it looks like a bonsai, it smells like a bonsai, I would guess it even taste like one. But if you actually pot a tree, cut a few branches, move them to the right position and everything looks good. There is just one thing missing! Is in?t and the answer is quite simple, Time, why, well even if the overall style does not change, the tree needs to get through the shook. That?s why after such task (if one ever does all those things at the same time) we would have to pamper the tree a bit more. It would be unlikely that it would withstand the same treatment as a tree that has already been potted for one, two or ten years. This acclimatization is what ensures us that we have a bonsai and not just a nice Ikebana. Obviously if a pontensai that has already been potted in the right pot a few years before it is given a first style you can come pretty close to having a bonsai. Of course we have to think were the heck is the line, was the pontensai a bad bonsai that has just been improved? Then it was not instant and is the new tree an already completely acclimatize tree, uhmmm well hard to say but it would depend on the tree, the species, the work done etc. I guess many trees die during the process for those who are a bit inpatient or only know the first part of the trick. The styling, however mist the second act the right cared after. Well these are just some thought of mine.


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I have a strong tendency to distill a question down to the nitty-gritty.
Instant bonsai=painting by numbers. Neither are art.
If I have offended, please pardon a grumpy old man.
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I wish to amend my previous intemperate remark.
My old friend, Warren Clark, when teaching a novice class would state the following: "Bonsai has four dimensions. Height, width, depth, and most important, TIME." This was intended to tell them that there is no "instant" bonsai.
I wholeheartedly agree with Warren's statement.
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