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 Post subject: Contest Discussion
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This thread is for the discussion of the North America vs Europe photo contest.


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No that would be too subtle....post up on other Sites like Paul has already.... that would do the trick! ;-)
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Ian,
If a policy has been violated, please just say so and I am sure the right thing will be done. I am sure no ill intent was meant by posting an announcement of this contest at bonsaiTalk and I certainly hope that one day all forums can co-exist without such nonsense.
Besides an announcement in the next issue of Bonsai Today, AoB will continue to let all interested parties know about this "first of its kind" contest. We do not require entrants to join AoB to enter, nor are we seeking new members by having this contest. Of course, you can always forbid any of your members to participate, if you so wish.
That being said, your post above is off topic and serves no real purpose, conversation here is a little more direct and polite than at other forums. Please be advised that any further off topic posts will be removed. Complaints can be made to any of the editors here by email or PM and will be dealt with in a timely fashion and professional manner.

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To all,
Ron Martin posted the following words at bonsaiTalk concerning this contest:
"BTW I did check and it was the same contest that AOB approached ABS on cosponsoring. It was discussed amoung the board members and a vote was taken.
I would imagine AOB has been notified of the outcome by now. If not then let me know and I will see what happened to that notification"

The facts are, this contest at AoB was never mentioned to ABS. A contest at KoB, yet to be announced, was discussed for sponsorship, first with Pauline Muth (president of ABS) who put it in front of the board for approval. The board turned the idea down this time. Pauline notified me personally on this matter a few weeks ago.
As Bonsai Today has sponsored a few contests for AoB, we thought we would offer the chance to sponsor a contest at KoB to other magazines and still will.
Again, this contest here at AoB always has been sponsored by Bonsai Today since its inception and was never brought to any other publisher.
Ron then went on to say, "Funny it had the same name when proposed to ABS." Again, the facts are that the copy of rules sent to ABS (both to Pauline Muth and Bob King) were plainly titled "KNOWLEDGE OF BONSAI ****** CONTEST RULES (Rough Draft)" (note: name of contest blocked out here in order to keep it quite until released) and this contest is and always has been titled "North America vs Europe Photo Contest". I highly doubt the two could be confused by anyone.

Anyhow, I think everyone will be quite surprised at the outcome of this sponsorship and the end product of the results, but that's all I can say for now.

Enjoy yourselfs and may the best region win,

Will


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Andy Graham posting the following statement about this contest at bonsaiTalk:
"Also, from a posting on another site by Will. ..Bonsai Today was involved from the very beginning....(oops,that statement has been edited out ).That's not a big deal except that it was conveniently left out of the first "announcement" here....and later denied.(and now edited)I'm sure it was just a mistake on Will's part.There is no way that man would lie."
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No statement to that effect by me has been edited out on any forum (see my post above this one). When this contest was first in it's inception, I talked to Wayne from Bonsai Today and we arranged a sponsorship. Later after the rules were completed I emailed him the same for his opinion, at this time the prizes were donated. So as I said, Bonsai Today has been involved in this contest since the beginning.
The very first post by Paul there at bonsaiTalk (the announcement you refer to) plainly states "Sponsored by Bonsai Today Magazine" it was not left out and was never denied.
Bonsai Today is and always has been a sponsor of this contest. I hope that satisfies your curiosity and that we can now concentrate on the real issue...which is the contest and not mudslinging.
Have fun,

Will


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 Post subject: Shohin or shohin display?
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Hi guys
A question for you. Regarding the Shohin category. Normally you will judge Shohin display, and not only one tree. Shohin is very much based on the concept of interaction between the small trees displayed together, and not alone.
The focus must be on the overall beauty of the display, with a high focus on the seasonal approach as well as the quality of each tree, wit the main tree (top tree on the table) as most important and the binary tree (placed beside the main table) as the second most important tree.
My question is: Do you take this into account in the competition? Will a Shohin or Mame-display be judged higher than entries of just one Shohin-bonsai? Or do you not accept a Shohin-display?
Shohin is about displaying more trees together, not just presenting a single one, differing this part of bonsai from the traditional bonsai.
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Thank you for your kind answers Will.
Some Shohin will not be satisfying to enter a contest like this though, because they are made to fit in the overall display supporting other Shohin, the main tree e.g., and will by nature not present them selves strongly when viewed alone, because of this. This has noting to do with the quality of the tree, only the aesthetic and power of the tree when standing alone.
A pine or juniper will stand stronger than a loosely formed flowering shrub, but together they present beauty and the seasonal approach.
This is partly why I asked this question, and due to the way of approaching Shohin in normal displays.
Also to make us all aware of the way of approaching Shohin, that is still not well known, because this branch of bonsai is still new.
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