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Never mind.
It ceases to be worth it.
I've learned a valuable lesson this week, thank you to everyone here and on BT. I've learned that people prefer not be be told something that is against their intellectual tendencies.
I've learned that you can't bring a message to someone that they don't want to hear, and continuing to argue about it gets you nowhere.
There are at least two dozen studies about this on the internet, I chose one closest to our situation out of the top five I read. The whole beginning of this thread was the premise that there were fewer women in bonsai than men. That is a truth, sorry. Maybe it's getting better, but it's obvious I hit a sore spot with my opinion and minimal research here.
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Joanie,
I am not quite understanding your response to my post. I was not argumentative nor personal about it but was rather bringing up another possible point: whether age has anything to do with women in bonsai. Why then the reaction?
I am sorry, Joanie, if what I added to this thread has somehow offended you. I am utterly perplexed.
On the other hand, I find your following comments ?I've learned that people prefer not be told something that is against their intellectual tendencies. I've learned that you can't bring a message to someone that they don't want to hear, and continuing to argue about it gets you nowhere.? to be a personal and demeaning attack on anyone seeming to argue your points.
Let?s go back and define the word ?debate?: To engage in argument by discussing opposing points.
Heck, this is a ?discussion? forum, so let?s define ?discuss? as well: to examine or consider a subject in speech or writing; syn. debate.
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Without acknowledging a conclusion to the debate, I must still say I find it ironic that we have women (mostly) arguing with each other over a thread titled "Gentlemen's Club". The debate is civil and polite, but all parties are sticking to their guns. Maybe that is the middle ground that both genders should be trying to tread.
John


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To wander off on the little side-thread about one's views being changed,
I am proud to say that I LOVE when someone does that to me. It creates in me a sense of excitement that I've learned something. It's almost like a revelation and I go: "Wow, how could I not see this for all this time?"
So, the general assumption that people don't like they views changed doesn't apply to me at all. It happened to me many times during my learning curve in bonsai, and I am eternally thankful for those who did it to me. I would have been worried if it didn't happen. That would have meant that I wasn't making any progress in my learning.


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