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Author:  Will Heath [ Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Age Discrimination

Age Discrimination
by Will Heath

Image
Photograph by Walter Pall


In our wonderful art of bonsai there seems to be a heavy prevalence toward older, scarred, rougher looking trees that contain an overabundance of character. From forum to forum and book to book the same question is asked: "How do I make my tree appear older?" The same philosophy is ingrained into every newcomers head, "To create a successful bonsai, you must give it the appearance of great age."

Whatever happened to youth? The pure freshness, vigor, innocence, unmarred beauty of youth has escaped us as bonsai artists. Is there no beauty in a sapling reaching up in perfect health towards the life giving sun? Is there no merit in unscarred bark, thinly laced roots, leaves fresh and green with new birth? Is there no tales to tell of seedlings exploding with energy, of saplings being whipped by the wind, of the blank slate that youth so well represents?


Image
Photograph by Walter Pall


With the few exceptions of the "Towering Tree" style of penjing and a few odds and ends here and there, youth is almost completely ignored in the art of bonsai. For years we have gazed with envy at the ancient Japanese bonsai, in awe at the seemingly eternal trees, having these images of age impressed upon our very being. Have we been conditioned to only see the beauty in age and to forever ignore youth?

Author:  Richard Fish [ Sat Mar 12, 2005 10:22 am ]
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Will,

Interesting article.

I believe that a fundamental reason why young tree images are not more widespread could be the difficulty in actually performing the trick of fooling the mind. Young trees have different growth habits to old trees, yet if we incorporate these growth habits in our work, favouring long straight sections of growth without taper, over short interesting growth, then we end up with the image of a stick in a pot.

Pulling off the trick of "youth" successfully, without falling into this trap, is probably much harder than we might imagine.

Regards,

Richard.

Author:  Attila Soos [ Sat Mar 12, 2005 2:44 pm ]
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My response is along the lines of what Richard is saying. Creating the image of an old tree using a young tree as material is a great technical achievement. It involves technical knowledge and great craft, all of which take time to develop but achievable. The image of an old tree also has the highest "shock value", the viewer gets the biggest bang for the buck. If we aim to impress, massive trees and lots of deadwood is the way to go (something like car chases in big-budget Hollywood movies).

Creating the image of youth does not lead to the above spectacular results. Freshness, playfulness, innocence, grace, these are qualities requiring a more subtle, less formualic approach from the artist. A greater artistic challenge.

Walter's first tree is an amazing example of the subtle artistry required to create such an image. It has grace and lightness to the extent I rarely see in bonsai. It amazes me every time I look at it.

Author:  Soumya Mitra [ Sun Mar 13, 2005 6:18 pm ]
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Very interesting and original point raised - youthful bonsai or celebration of youthfullness in bonsai.

Nothing uncommon in the demand, but isn't it a cardinal criteria of bonsai to create an illusion of aged, ancient, weathered battered. struggling yet living image of a tree?

Use of young material to convey the aged image is the most sought after skill of a bonsai artist in my humble opinion.

The attached photos in this thread denied me that illusion.

To view a lush greenary I might as well look to pot garden, why bonsai!

Author:  Attila Soos [ Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:17 pm ]
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Author:  Charles Bevan [ Sun Mar 13, 2005 11:27 pm ]
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Can youth be successfully represented in bonsai? If one were to say no, then Andy Rutledge's online book, Artistic Foundations of Bonsai Design, was a complete failure. Lets take a look at a couple of the images Andy has provided in the chapter "The Language of Artistry" which can be incorporated into the design of a young tree:

"Natural, sprouting, spontanious, happy"
http://www.andyrutledge.com/book/assets ... rved3a.gif

"Reaching, natural, youth"
http://www.andyrutledge.com/book/assets ... upward.gif

Also, one must note that smooth textures are typical of a young tree, while rough textures are typical of an old tree.

It may be difficult to convey the image of an young tree, but if one follows the guidelines that Andy has graciously provided, it will not be impossible.

Author:  Carl Bergstrom [ Mon Mar 14, 2005 1:56 am ]
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Author:  James L. Doggett [ Mon Mar 14, 2005 3:25 am ]
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Author:  Soumya Mitra [ Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:19 am ]
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Charles,this is what Andy Rutledge also writes in the article you referenced:

Age-
' Usually, we develop and style our bonsai to convey a sense of great age. As mentioned before, bonsai often portray archetypical ideals. Regardless of the special individual character we work to portray with a bonsai, the impression of great age is almost always part of the message. However, most of the trees we most often work with are relatively young. Given many years of development, the telltale signs of age will come, but we also want our younger bonsai to appear to be very old.So, we must use artistic techniques to convey age.'

Apart from the connotation of age in bonsai design we have other points as well to consider as told by KYUZO MURATA. In his words it is bonsai spirit expressed thru WABI& SABI.

He also says'"I firmly believe the final goal of creating bonsai is to create this feeling of Wabi or Sabi in bonsai. He explains SABI as feeling of simplicity and quiteness which comes from something that is old and used over and over again. He gives example of such felling as of standing in front of Ryoanji's stone garden in Kyoto in the late autumn evening in misty rain.

I have not visited Japan yet I am quite content what KYUZO MURATA has to say on bonsai spirt.

Author:  Attila Soos [ Mon Mar 14, 2005 12:52 pm ]
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I completely agree with Soumya that the the feelings expressed by the Wabi-Sabi character of a tree are intensified with age, and that the highest achievement in bonsai is to express those feelings.

However, by completely ignoring youthfulness in bonsai, we are diminishing the powerful impanct of showing great age. To demonstrate this with an example, a towering giant will have the greatest impact if shown amongst others of lesser height. The starker the contrast, the more powerful the effect.

Showing a group of trees of equally great age will have nowhere near the effect of another group where great age stands next to the freshness of youth. The latter case is where character and wisdom really stands out.

Author:  Morten Albek [ Mon Mar 14, 2005 3:57 pm ]
Post subject:  The meaning of age in bonsai

This is an article i wrote some time last year with my proposal to why we seek the age in bonsai.

http://artofbonsai.org/forum/viewtopic. ... 2847#12847

Author:  Soumya Mitra [ Tue Mar 15, 2005 3:48 pm ]
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Excellent article MORTEN, it tries to close the gap by clarifying the socio-religio-cultural matrix of East and West.

But i would like to revisit the issue at its base .

This response is not gainsaying of the yowl for youth exhibited in this thread. This is just to put in proper perspective the apparent dichotomy emerging from opaque concept of bonsai.

The advocates of youth in bonsai presuppose youth as nonentity in bonsai since yore & assume to champion the new found cause.

The endeavor is laudable yet is non sequitur to the concept of the art of bonsai per se.

It seems the confusion arises if "youth" in the concept of bonsai is proclaimed as a destination or a hallmark rather than considering "youth" as just a phase in the journey of the "life-force" continuum.
In other words celebration of life all through.

The Chinese concept of CHI-( the dominant life force) along with CHING- KU &KWAI have been the guideline of bonsai concept for long so was the Japanese concept of WABI , SABI& KAMI .These concept focus on life in general in all thru the bonsai's journey to semi permanency.

It accepts the juvenile youthful phase as a transient part of CHI?S journey for manifestation of Wabi , Sabi, Kami ,Ching ,Ku & Kwai.

Author:  Carl Bergstrom [ Wed Mar 16, 2005 3:37 am ]
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Author:  Soumya Mitra [ Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:46 am ]
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Carl, I would have fully agreed to your artistic comment this time too yet i could not which is not to my liking.

From biological point of view you know jolly well the fallacy of the claim that bonsai can capture the image of youth permanently!

Bonsai is not static as a painting/photo/sculpture.These media hardly evolve over time significantly whereas bonsai is a living media.

Please accept life as a journey forward and manifest in transient phases, youth included.

What will happen to the youthful image in fall,winter?

it will comeback in spring, yes ,but the image is not even semipermanent for a calender year !

let's not try to stop the tide of life in an alive bonsai.
WE shall wither and gone and bonsai shall remain , giving us company as a considerate friend, growing and evolving with me & witnessing my journey to the ultimate bliss....... i know he will still be there to tell the story... s..l..o..w..l..y....

Author:  John Quinn [ Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:09 pm ]
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